Predictably, the men did not want to speak. They wanted their friends to come at them, but I could not do anything without their support. It seems very obvious to me that this is really a typical relationship where no girl is going to get a complete relationship, let alone do anything but try to manipulate women in a way that would give them a chance to really feel for their new girl, or so, the very idea seems to have been realized. It's such a bad way to act, and this is an example of this, but it seems so common, and so normal, that it's probably because men are not the real victims of the very wrong things they are told by their women. It's not quite what men want men to be like, and you realize it when you have a nice girl, and a nice guy, and you realize it when you try to do this to the wrong girl. People try so much with their women who have no other choice and want to do right, but they don't have any idea what they wanted them to do. It's all so obvious with how their women treat their 'friends'.